Shaw will make a rifle, as will any other custom, or semi-custom, riflemaker. Either way, the Newton is the unbelted twin of the .358 Norma. Perhaps, if the word gets out to the shooting public, the born again .350 may finally achieve the commercial success it deserves. in an 8.5 pound rifle, is comparable to the much more popular but less effective (on CXP3 class game) .300 Weatherby or .300 Remington Ultra Magnums. Not necessarily top dollar everything. I am not into the current long-range fad, especially on powerful animals like elk. The trouble is, they didnt sell. Perhaps thats why it has survived. It was predictable that the .356 Win. Actual weight depends on subspecies, nutrition, and age, but 600 pounds is a good starting point for grownup bulls and twice the size of an unusually large deer. The .45-70 is another very popular cartridge. Too bad Ingemar Johansson was not so well equipped. The .350 Remington Magnum is the only cartridge that appears on both lists of current and obsolete calibers. Griffin & Howe developed the semiwildcat .350 G&H based on the .375 H&H case, as well as pioneering the .35 Whelen. THe 35 whelen did have a little more power than the 358. Now, I have to go out on a limb and say that sensible elk cartridges aren't all about power. Elk hunting can be extremely physicalnot only steep country, but also altitude and sometimes deep snow to buck. Norma offers factory ammunition, E.R. Spl. The rivalry between the .338-inch and .358-inch bore diameters has a considerable history; both topped out at 300 grains (at one point in time in history), and both have a lower end of 180 grains. The .35 Whelen is a necked up medium bore wildcat cartridge that was created by necking up a .30-06 Springfield case which is famously overpowered for the 30-caliber bullet it propels. He never questioned the adequacy of his .270 for elk, nor do I, but he was also a lifelong .30-06 fan and privately conceded its superiority for elk-sized game. With the 250-grain bullet, it's better than the .30-06 on heavy game at close ranges. These were, primarily, the Schultz & Larsen (Denmark), the Husqvarna (Sweden) and a few Browning High Powers made by FN in Belgium. I shot my first bull elk in Montanas Pioneer Mountains on a snowy Thanksgiving in 1972. This raises the obvious question: Why, with so many modern cartridges around of more or less equal power, chambered in readily available rifles, is there this lingering interest in, and loyalty to, the .358 Norma? Ive seen many elk taken cleanly with a .270 Winchester, and my own longest shot on an elk was on a big New Mexico bull at 400 yards using a .270 Winchester with a 150-grain Nosler Partitionone step and down. .50 Beowulf. This means you have the option to read your magazine on most popular phones and tablets. I have no experience with the Norma mag. The .358 Win. necked up to .35 caliber. So while some of my rifle choices may have been oddball, none of the rifles Ive used for elk have been exactly wrong. 10 GA. Mag.They have almost identical case capacity, but the .358 Norma Mag. when fired in a 7.5 pound rifle. The .35-caliber cartridges usually top out at 250 grains, though if a 300-grain bullet at a slightly faster twist rate were employed, it would certainly be in the same class as the .375 Holland & Holland. But there is another Rigby cartridge, vastly overlooked even among rifle cranks, but which was at one time as popular as the .375 H&H Magnum: the .350 Rigby Magnum. The .25 Rem., .30 Rem. The body of the .350 Magnum measures 0.517 inches at the base, smaller than the 0.589-inch base of the .416 Rigby. But have owned multiple 9.3s and Whelens.
America's Rejected Caliber | An Official Journal Of The NRA You can start with the 6.5mms. In the 80s, when Jack Carter was making his Trophy Bonded Bearclaw bullet by hand, I did some elk hunting with the 240-grain .375 version. Equal in importance is that you can hit the elk. was introduced in 1955. Why cant we love the .35? Of the three, only the .358 Norma has not become a standard chambering. Gun guys recognize the potential in the .358. At the same time, it will do almost everything the .375 will but with vastly more versatility. Fusion Ammo has a 200-grain with a muzzle velocity of 2800 f.p.s. from the 24" barrel of a Marlin 336XLR rifle. This is a particularly apt comparison because the re-introduced .350 is available in the Remington Model Seven rifle, which is also offered in .300 short magnum calibers. The M700 has been a popular action for building a rifle in .358 STA, a wildcat based on the 8mm Remington Magnum. The norma would cost more if I had to open the bolt face. But starting in the late 1950s, the .338 bore size gained considerable tractionthanks to the emergence of the .338 Winchester Magnum. Throw a belt on the .35 Newton and you couldnt tell the difference three feet away. At 300 yds., the .358 Norma impacts only 0.96" lower than the .300 Win. To reach the .300 mark, youd need a 270-grain bullet (the North Fork and Woodleigh bullets come immediately to mind), but stabilization becomes an issue in the slower twists, and thats long been a problem in .35-caliber barrels. is on the threatened list, this one is on a path to extinction. Why the public abandoned it so quickly is a mystery to me. Pet Loads and Handloader are registered trademarks of Wolfe Publishing Company. Maybe I'll just get a 375 H+H instead of going the Norma route. Nils Kvaleone of the chief designers at Normahad experimented with a shortened .300 H&H case, necked to hold 8mm bullets, with the rim turned down to match the 8x57 rim diameter. Opening up a boltface on a standard action is NOT a difficult job for a decent gunsmith and does not affect the strength or viability of the action one WHIT. I believe in quality optics, but quality and magnification are not synonymous. Would be nice to have a 35 Wheelie, 350 Rem and a .358 Win. You can never lead if you always follow; the other cartridges were designed to chase Winchesters success, while the .35 Rem. 200-grain bullet to almost 2500 f.p.s. [1] Kevin Steele, Publisher of Petersen's HUNTING talks with JJ Reich of HEVI-Shot about the new offerings for 2023. The .350 can drive a 250 grain bullet to a MV of 2500 fps. I have one, and I like it a lot. 9.3x62 boots 320gr Woodleigh protected points and weldcore round noses out at 2400 fps with RL-17. Your rifle is your most important hunting tool, and knowing how to properly clean and store it when hunting season comes to a close is critical in keeping it in tip-top shape. Compare the Queen of the .35's, the .350 Remington Magnum--the original short (.308 length) magnum cartridge--with the new generation of short action magnums. Nosler has three loads in its Custom line. Mag. On the other hand, you must hit it well, because if poorly hit, an elk shows strength and stamina and may cover many miles of tough country. With such a variety of bullets, you would think the skys the limit in terms of different loads, but there are other factors to consider. An earlier Western Cartridge load delivered 2,660 fps, which I suspect is closer to the truth. This is in sharp contrast to the overwhelming success of the .357/9mm handgun cartridges, whose popularity dates right to the beginning of the self-contained cartridge era. The original Schultz & Larsens were sold without iron sights, and they were installed on my rifle afterward. That list, by the way, is in ascending order of power. Blocker Outdoors Finisher gloves, headcovers and other accessories are available in Mossy Oak Bottomland and Mossy Oak Obsession NWTF camouflage patterns to match various turkey hunting terrain. In 1965 Remington took it to the next level with the introduction of the Model 600 Magnum Carbine. This is not enough to argue about, so Im not convinced that the 7mm is better than the .270, but you can stoke it with a heavier bullet. in a rimmed cartridge that would work in a lever-action rifle. The "U.S. Rifle, Caliber .30, Model of 1903," better-known as the M1903 Springfield, has become one of the most popular U.S. military small arms to collect. I had the privilege of spending some time with a 1917 vintage take-down Rigby-Mauser rifle while on a hunt in Scotland, and the words sweet shooting came quickly to mind. All in, it weighed over 11 pounds, which is too heavy. In rifle cartridges, we usually take the safe route and .30-caliber has emerged as the American shooters choice. The rifle, cartridge, and bullet must be capable of handling that one opportunity. Winchester introduced its initial trio of belted magnums in the mid-1950sthe .458 Winchester Magnum, .338 Winchester Magnum and .264 Winchester Magnumand all were designed for the long-action receiver, using a case length equal or similar to the .30-06 Springfield. Mag. I am convinced there are better tools, and theres also that matter of mindset. For this reason, anyone acquiring a .358 Norma should start low with every load and work up slowly and carefully. The .35 Whelen has a relatively simple design: it's a .30-06 Springfield case necked up to use .358 instead of .308 bullets (the exact opposite of the .270 Winchester in other words). Mag. I have built all 3 several times for various customers and owned both the 358 Norma and the 9.3X62. The .35 Whelen is a powerful medium-bore rifle cartridge that does not require a magnum action or a magnum bolt-face. Size aside, American elk are very tough creatures. Its spawn, the .351 Winchester Self Loader, fared a little better, but it was never in danger of greatness. So, I've hunted elk with less ambitious rounds. Frankly, I would not want to be without them. Kevin Steele from Petersen's HUNTING speaks to Jordan Egli of Burris Optics about the all-new Veracity PH Riflescope. If you happen to have a .35 and don't mind the extra recoil, there is no denying that it will flat get the job done. Sadly, I cant find a single major gunmaker chambering this cartridge today. [quote=encorerbHmmm, makes me wonder. The .358 Norma Magnum, like the .358 Shooting Times Alaskan, generates a considerable amount of energy, but due to the caliber restrictions for dangerous game of most of the African countries, it falls shy of the markthe .375-inch bore is minimum for many countries. 358 Norma runs 250gr partitions at 2810 with Norma 204 powder. This means that the momentum of a rifle's reaction will exactly equal the momentum of the bullet and powder gasses ejected from the barrel. Publisher of Petersen's HUNTING magazine, Kevin Steele is at the Steiner Optics booth with Alberto Corbetta to discuss the Predator 4 and Predator 8. Let's also compare the .358 with the other end of the spectrum. Mag. Copyright 2023 National Rifle Association, Bertram Brass from Australia is a good source when you can get it, and Quality Cartridge makes a run of .350 Rigby every few years, but you could be waiting a considerable amount of time. With its spitzer-pointed bullets, the .358 is a good medium- to long-range cartridge with capabilities out to 250 yards on big game. As a "stopper" for use on dangerous game the .358 Norma is clearly superior to the .300 Magnums. And with modern powders and loads, it knocks on the door of the .300 WSM and .300 Winchester Magnum. Thanks for any thoughts. The 600 Magnum suffered from a barrel that was too short at 18 inches. i have a 35 whelen and love it. Then come the .270s. The .358 Norma Magnum is a rifle cartridge introduced in 1959 by Norma. So if you have a .375 (or larger) and a yen to take it elk hunting, be my guest. By coincidence, in that same year, Norma Projektilfabrik of Sweden introduced its own heavyweight champion, the .358 Norma Magnum. This year, H&R announced an expansion of its AR-15 lineup, bringing additional "retro" models to the market, including a 9 mm Luger-chambered Colt SMG clone, an M16A2-styled rifle and the carbine-size 723. Give a Gift
And for the larger antelope species, like any of the eland, wildebeest, zebra and roan, the .350 Rigby Magnum is a sound choice. and is a good cartridge for hunting the thick woods for deer, hogs, black bear or even elk. Like most of the children of the Holland & Holland parents, the .358 Norma uses its shoulder for headspacing, rather than the belt, as do the .375 and .300 H&H. But in 2003 Remington decided to attempt a resurrection. loaded with a 180-grain Oryx bullet to the .358 Norma Mag. Sadly, my favorite bullet diameter, the .35 caliber, doesnt even rate a blip on the American shooters radar screen. Avoid quick-opening bullets, especially match bullets; instead, choose controlled-expansion designs intended for hunting larger game. Back in the late 70's I picked up a custom 1903 in 358 Norma Mag, awesome rifle, very accurate and it put a thump on deer, I bought it hopping to get a moose tag back in MN, never did and sold the rifle. Right now, I think that the Browning BLR lever-action rifle is the only production gun left on the market in .358 Win. Its also worth noting that, in spite of its relative obscurity, the cartridge appears in many of the most recent loading manuals, including Normas own, a worthwhile addition to anyones reloading library. Theres more to success than merely landing a good one on the chin. Winchester still offers ammunition, but the guns are history. figure of 0.300 is desirable, and comparing similar cartridges, youll see the .350 Rigby comes in a bit behind the other popular choices of the day. The .308 Winchester is a fine elk cartridge, and the grand old .30-06, with a bit more velocity and energy, is better. And those sentiments can be an awful lot of fun.
Behind the Bullet: .358 Norma Magnum - An Official Journal Of The NRA Heres a look at 10 of the most flexible long-range hunting cartridges. The .358 in a bolt-action rifle with a good scope is as accurate as any hunting cartridge available. We've got you covered. .450 Nitro Express .17 Hornet 7mm STW 6.8 Western .375 Ruger .223 Remington6.5x55 Swedish .416 Remington Magnum .300 Winchester Short Magnum 28 Nosler 6.5 PRC .22 WMR .458 Winchester Magnum .204 Ruger .22 Hornet .280 Ackley Improved .240 Weatherby Magnum .458 Lott.264 Winchester Magnum.348 Winchester.33 Nosler.260 Remington.30-30 Winchester.416 Rigby.358 Norma Magnum.22 LR7mm-08 Remington8mm Remington Magnum.338 Federal.224 Valkyrie.338-06 A-Square9.3x62mm Mauser.257 Weatherby Magnum.45-70 Government.300 H&H Magnum.25-06 Remington.30-06 Springfield6.5 Creedmoor.300 Remington Ultra Magnum7mm Remington Magnum.470 Nitro Express.280 Remington.300 Winchester Magnum.270 Winchester.222 Remington.45 ACP.404 Jeffery.44 Remington Magnum.41 Remington Magnum.243 Winchester.338 Winchester Magnum.357 S&W Magnum6.5-284 Norma8x57 Mauser.38 Smith & Wesson Special7x57mm Mauser9mm Luger.35 Whelen.454 Casull.375 H&H Magnum.45 Colt.22-250 Remington10mm Auto.308 Winchester. In more recent times, the 1994 release of the .450 Rigby gave dangerous game hunters a bit more bullet weight than the .416 Rigby and has developed a small but devout following among both professional hunters and their clients alike. That is quite a few cartridges considering that there is not a single best selling rifle cartridge in the bunch. Recoil was completely manageable, and it inspired me to begin the journey of having my own .350 Rigby rifle built. G. Joined: Sep 2009. The .350 Rem. A failed product is often said to be ahead of its time, which is usually just a polite way of saying nobody wanted to buy it. It never got up. Rifle Recoil Table. I wont go so far as to say thats foolish, but theres a major difference in size and toughness between a cow or spike and a mature bull. I wont be ashamed to take it elk hunting, but today Im certain that level of power is not essential. On a 600 pound animal like a big bull elk the optimum game range of the .308 (180 grain bullet at a MV of 2610 fps) is a useful 175 yards. Its said that the French used it in World War I, but it probably didnt see much action. Today, rifles can be made very light, but that can also be overdone because light rifles are whippy and hard to control when youre out of breath and have to settle in for a quick shot. 35 Whelen. Though still under construction, Im eager to take the classic cartridge into the hunting fields. Shortening the 2.85-inches long .375 H&H case wasnt exactly a revolutionary ideathat little-known .275 H&H so closely resembles the design of the half-century younger 7mm Remington Magnum that its uncannybut with the Winchester marketing machine the concept was brought to the forefront. All Petersen's Hunting subscribers now have digital access to their magazine content. As a result of all this activity, .358-inch diameter jacketed rifle bullets are available in a wide range of weights and styles, from 150-grain semipointed to 200- grain roundnose, all the way up to 310 grains for the heaviest game. At 300 yards, it has 19 percent more energy than the .300 Win. with a 250-grain Oryx bullet-both with a 200-yd. This was not the factory bullet from the 1960s, with its mild-steel jacket, but a later one. and the 6.5 mm Rem. Back in 1983 Winchester introduced the .356 Win. To get started, click the link below to visit mymagnow.com and learn how to access your digital magazine. in the Big Bore Model 94. was initially chambered in Remingtons Model 8 autoloader, soon followed by the Model 14 pump-action. Ruger briefly chambered the M77 rifle in .35 Whelen.
Released in 1908, the .350 Rigby Magnum is an entirely original design, with no parent cartridge. With todays interest in long-range shooting, big scopes are in, but powerful scopes add weight. If you match the bullet to the game, this is one of the all-time great hunting cartridges. While the Colt Model 601 was the first AR-15 to be mass-produced, there were several design variations that came before during the platform's development. Layne Simpson did an article on the comparison of the two and it was reprinted in Big Bore Rifles and Cartridge ISBN 1-879356-00-7. Im going to rule out short-range cartridges that have the power because theres no sense in making the shot more difficult than necessary.
Hunting Shack .35 Whelen N/A Centerfire Rifle Ammo the problem in this debate is we are crossing over in calibres, which means thrust on different sized pistons. Not so the .358 Norma. Likewise, so do experienced western elk hunters. factory load is a 250-grain Oryx bullet listed with a muzzle velocity of 2723 f.p.s. The full spectrum of our many 7mms, from 7mm-08 and 7x57 on up to the fastest 7mm magnums, are also fine, but they are not magical giant-slayers. All Rights Reserved. This wonderful efficiency of the .35 calibers is especially remarkable when one considers that most all of these rounds are verging on obsolescence today. Far more alternatives, in fact, than exist in several more popular caliber families. Also, many of these hunters have the luxury of a long season close to home. Got a nice .270 Win MTN Rifle donor 700. For anyone with an experimental or fanciful turn of mind, the .358 Norma and the many .358-inch diameter bullets are a gold mine. Well, it betters the velocity of the .35 Whelen by at least 200 fps, much the same as the .338 Winchester Magnum does to the .338-06. Have all three, and have not shot any of em My medium is a 9,3x62.
358 Win vs 35 Whelen | Graybeard Outdoors and a 250-grain Partition load with a muzzle velocity of 2550 f.p.s. with a similar 180-grain bullet. The .35 (.358) caliber has never really gotten a serious toehold here, although the occasional item like the .35 Whelen, .350 Remington Magnum, or .358 Winchester roils the waters every now and again. Mark Bansner is making one for me: synthetic stock on a left-hand Sako action. The .358 Norma Mag. plowed fresh ground. The bullet went in behind the near shoulder, struck the far shoulder from the inside, and the blue bull hit the ground with a thud. The classic .350 Rigby Magnum load pushes a .358-inch diameter 225-grain bullet to a muzzle velocity of 2625 fps for 3,440 ft.-lbs. Most rifle elk hunting is not like bowhunting during the bugling season. In 1968 the 600 Magnum was replaced by the Model 660 Magnum, which featured a 20-inch barrel, but it was never a big seller, and Remington dropped the rifles. Of the bullets used, several performed extremely well, including the Bear Claw and a Nosler 250-grain Partition. Oklahoma. Your at the old delema again: does 200 fps matter to the deer.
.35 Whelen - Wikipedia Many western hunters annually take elk with 6mms and .25s. This list gives some idea of the .358 Normas status today: Those rifles rarely seem to come on the market. |
.35s That Survived - BUCKMASTERS The Heavyweight .358 Norma | Handloader Magazine In the mid 70's I picked up a 358Norma. With the best loads, my Remington Model 700 is one-hole accurate. Hornady has a Superformance load with a 200-grain SP at 2910 f.p.s. Our editors have hand-picked these essential pieces of gear to make you a more successful hunter when you hit the game trails this season. Here are the features to watch out for. Is there a way to find out what year it is by serial #? My vote is for the .35 Whelen. was designed for the American market, but sadly no American riflemaker ever chambered the cartridge in a cataloged gun. But when Winchester chambered the .358 the following year in its unique lever-action, the Model 88, it became a really interesting cartridge. Honestly, Ive taken as many elk with the .30-06 as with any other cartridge, and the farthest at 350 yards was no problem. Out of stock View Details . But the .416 is certainly not the only cartridge to bear the Rigby surname; read the works of Walter Dalrymple Maitland Karamoja Bell, or Col. Jim Corbett and the .275 Rigbybetter known as the 7x57mm Mauserwill get all sorts of praise. Sierras 225-grain spitzer boat-tail, designed for the .35 Whelen, is a stellar performer in the .358 Norma. Have a .350 Rem Mag, building a .358 Win currently, would prefer to do the .358 Norma if possible but not sure if this action can handle it.Anyone? Even so, most experienced deer hunters have pretty good ideas on appropriate rifles. They have almost all abandoned the cartridge. The recent introduction of a Hornady LeverEvolution factory load for the .35 Remington has usefully improved its ballistics. Powders such as IMRs Trail Boss, Accurates 5744 and IMRs discontinued SR-4759 all work with lighter bullets, and sometimes accuracy is very good, even if the gas seal is not. Heres a look at 10 of the most flexible long-range hunting cartridges. as a way to boost the power of the Model 94 lever-action rifle. To return to our boxing analogy, the .358 Norma Magnum not only has the Hammer of Thor, but it also offers an excellent jab, a good hook, a wicked uppercut and a variety of feints. I have long been something of a .35 caliber fan, but I have to admit that I believe the reason for the general lack of public acceptance of all but the least powerful .35's is, in a word, recoil.
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